tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post6496696690730853695..comments2024-01-01T23:38:43.414-08:00Comments on The Oncoming Hope: Doctor Who: God Complex, aka The Characters Un-Complextheoncominghopehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03471519506797609837noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-52489272229459539732011-09-24T03:29:58.107-07:002011-09-24T03:29:58.107-07:00I don't disagree with you that it's the wh...I don't disagree with you that it's the whole show that's the problem, and it's the writers. Of course it's the writers' fault that she's badly written this season, Amy's not a real person! <br />Rory has definitely shown character growth over the past season, and Amy just hasn't. She's a cipher, she doesn't come across as a real person at all. And yes that is the writers' fault. She shows no emotional continuity between episodes and she doesn't do anything by her own choice or action, she just waits for things to happen, or she drifts with the tide.theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-55227306861195396742011-09-24T03:25:01.053-07:002011-09-24T03:25:01.053-07:00I don't understand how you can say that she do...I don't understand how you can say that she doesn't want adventure when that's been her primary motivation since she was introduced on the show. Yes, the writing has failed her this year. But that doesn't erase everything that was established about her in series five and it's not a failure of her as a character -- it's symptomatic of what's wrong with the whole show right now. And the idea that she doesn't *want* agency when she spent the whole of "The Girl Who Waited" trying to define her own destiny, when she spent a summer trying to make contact with the Doctor re: Melody, when (unlike some characters) she actually asked the Doctor *why* he was kicking her off the adventure ... is really, patently ludicrous.<br /><br />And the idea that Rory has more characterisation than Amy is frankly ludicrous when he literally exists only in relation to her -- when she's the only reason he's even on the show.Maryhttp://blog.cymbal-rush.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-53059241388166881202011-09-23T07:20:00.470-07:002011-09-23T07:20:00.470-07:00I wish Rita had stayed as well. But she's smar...I wish Rita had stayed as well. But she's smart and a person of color, so no.theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-17207303173224170552011-09-23T07:19:28.419-07:002011-09-23T07:19:28.419-07:00That is a great observation about Amy and Rory'...That is a great observation about Amy and Rory's new house! I wonder if there'll be a connection, or if it's just a random occurrence like everything else in this silly half-season.<br /><br />Lol. I have fondness for Time and the Rani, as it's the first episode I saw when it aired (I must have been 5?)theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-48149034023860915452011-09-22T13:35:08.976-07:002011-09-22T13:35:08.976-07:00Isn't it a bit of a cop out for the writers? P...Isn't it a bit of a cop out for the writers? Pond walks away happy <br />not being destined to raise her own daughter? I don't buy it.Pond<br /> is the type of person who cares about other people, the type of person<br /> who would go to the ends of the universe to find her baby and bring it <br />back home, rather then let it be raised by a fanatical cult bent on <br />brainwashing the child with a bent towards murder. Or she was in earlier episodes.So... Either a<br /> very poor ending for the Mr and Mrs Pond (Mr Pond... snicker) or they <br />are coming back. Because I kept expecting Pond to say "What about my <br />baby?" NOT "Tell my daughter to pop by now and then".JimmyLegsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-33334216450223288252011-09-22T01:20:30.014-07:002011-09-22T01:20:30.014-07:00As I believe I argued, she doesn't even want a...As I believe I argued, she doesn't even want adventure! She has no character or personality to speak of. And the fact remains that Rory DID react. You can see it in his eyes. He doesn't give a damn about the Doctor, nor should he at this point. But Amy should. That was her one character trait, caring about the doctor. That and this mysterious "feistiness" that seems to define her in absence of anything else. <br />I'm not asking her to want material things. I'm asking her to have motivation to do anything of any kind. She has no agency, but what's troubling is that she doesn't want any.theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-17954680257560628592011-09-21T23:57:55.566-07:002011-09-21T23:57:55.566-07:00Evidence: the fact that Amy has been depicted as w...Evidence: the fact that Amy has been depicted as wanting really specific things -- like adventure -- from life? Just because she doesn't want a house and a car and a baby doesn't mean she doesn't want things. And the fact that she is very aware of who she is and what her damage is: she knows that she has trust issues and where they come from, and she knows that she's not insane despite having been told that she is, and she knows what she thinks about the way other people treat her and the way they treat each other, and she's motivated to save other people's lives and will step in when she sees an opportunity to do that. And she's focused, and pragmatic, and doesn't get distracted or start whining the moment there's a problem that needs solving (e.g. in "A Christmas Carol"). And that's pretty much the opposite of childish.<br /><br />And the explicit double standard of ONLY being angry at Amy for her "non-reaction" to Rita's death (or River's kidnapping) and not at Rory.Maryhttp://blog.cymbal-rush.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-6234191996073592552011-09-20T23:51:21.339-07:002011-09-20T23:51:21.339-07:00Mary, I don't think I'm projecting. Would ...Mary, I don't think I'm projecting. Would you like to provide evidence of your opinion?<br /><br />And I'm not sure what you mean by "double standard."theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-3872356368270334582011-09-20T12:44:48.503-07:002011-09-20T12:44:48.503-07:00It's frustrating that it seems like the writer...It's frustrating that it seems like the writers can't ever have both Rory and Amy be interesting and have something to do in the same episode. I liked the subplot here with Rory's faith. I thought the Exit Door bit was really very clever - but it frustrates me to no end that Rory didn't have the gumption? curiosity? to actually go walking through it. If he had done that, then maybe, I don't know, he could've figured out the solution to the mystery instead of being the guy who put a broom through a door handle.<br /><br />Amy's big contribution was to 1. look bad in Rita's light (and oh, how I wish Rita had stayed), and 2. to have her faith broken, but since her attitude towards the Doctor doesn't seem any different before and after the break. (And you and I have talked a bit about the difference between Amy and Ace over at my page.)<br /><br />I'm less inclined to believe the Ponds are really gone, but if they are, well, you know what I think on that. :) Bring in the Gwen!<br /><br />http://atomicanxiety.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/doctor-who-is-it-time-to-have-gwen-cooper-replace-the-ponds/Mark (from Atomic Anxiety)http://atomicanxiety.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-24054255598691359312011-09-20T12:33:03.896-07:002011-09-20T12:33:03.896-07:00I couldn't agree with your assessment of Amy l...I couldn't agree with your assessment of Amy less - and the fact that you acknowledge and try to handwave your own double standard regarding Amy and Rory's reactions to Rita's death pretty much destroys any credibility your opinion on Amy has with me. Amy has never been characterised as childish or as not wanting anything; you're projecting that disgusting misogynistic stereotype onto her.Maryhttp://blog.cymbal-rush.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-38461507606626739702011-09-20T02:16:24.111-07:002011-09-20T02:16:24.111-07:00WHAT BABY? lol.
I understand why you might not li...WHAT BABY? lol.<br /><br />I understand why you might not like River, but I do quite love her. I dont' think she'd be great as a permanent companion though.theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-24443541976719691602011-09-20T02:15:43.544-07:002011-09-20T02:15:43.544-07:00It took me a couple of days to think about it as w...It took me a couple of days to think about it as well. I didn't hate the Doctor in it at all, in fact he's never seemed more like the Doctor of old, but I'm glad to see the back of the Ponds.theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-25923001398633171772011-09-20T02:02:46.125-07:002011-09-20T02:02:46.125-07:00Which probably means, sadly, that Moffat doesn'...Which probably means, sadly, that Moffat doesn't have a great handle on her himself.theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-79829104903703763972011-09-19T23:01:38.456-07:002011-09-19T23:01:38.456-07:00That's absolutely right. Young Amy was in room...That's absolutely right. Young Amy was in room 7, while the Doctor hung the Do Not Disturb sign on his room, 11.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-68698890566933591482011-09-19T19:35:22.876-07:002011-09-19T19:35:22.876-07:00great review! I agree with the stuff about Amy, so...great review! I agree with the stuff about Amy, some of the other writers this season have no idea how to write herspdk1http://spdk1.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-25082380495007460112011-09-19T18:18:16.467-07:002011-09-19T18:18:16.467-07:00I didn't hate this episode. But it didn't ...I didn't hate this episode. But it didn't impact me on an emotional level at all. After the episode, I sat and wondered what I would write about it. I had to think about it awhile and what I came up with is, "This is the Doctor accepting his fate and saying goodbye in a bit of an asshole way." They won't miss him as much if they realize he's not a good person.TheFeminineMissGeekhttp://twitter.com/femmissgeeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-49481402033211548792011-09-19T18:13:28.148-07:002011-09-19T18:13:28.148-07:00I'm pretty sure they were different rooms. Amy...I'm pretty sure they were different rooms. Amy's room was 7 (the age she was when she met the Doctor). The Doctor's was, of course, 11.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-85602365458648913712011-09-19T14:59:32.482-07:002011-09-19T14:59:32.482-07:00It was just pointed out to me that near the end of...It was just pointed out to me that near the end of the episode, when the hotel coverts to the alien vessel and the minotaur dies, the door that had the child Amelia inside also has a "do not disturb" sign. The sign falls off once the door disappears.<br /><br />Does this mean that room was the Doctor's? If so, why would his room contain little Amelia?Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-83044183467032030932011-09-19T13:14:46.904-07:002011-09-19T13:14:46.904-07:00Not only did the Doctor's room totally contain...Not only did the Doctor's room totally contain himself, but that was totally his unanswered answer to the "What do Time Lords pray to?" question too. Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-80199839430228250832011-09-19T13:09:31.294-07:002011-09-19T13:09:31.294-07:00The faith thing was more specific. It wasn't j...The faith thing was more specific. It wasn't just 'believing in someone', it was having faith that your life is governed by higher powers/forces. Whether that's the lucky horseshoe, Allah, the CIA, or the Doctor. <br /><br />Rory just doesn't believe his life is controlled by any higher being or force. It doesn't mean he doesn't love or believe in Amy. Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-19705121338830223832011-09-19T10:26:19.131-07:002011-09-19T10:26:19.131-07:00Thanks for the comment!
I agree with you, the ol...Thanks for the comment! <br /><br />I agree with you, the old Amy would never have fallen for the Doctor's lies when he was trying to get her to lose her faith in him! <br /><br />Where it seems you want to see River and the Doctor travelling together, I would probably stop watching if she became the new companion! I find her character very irritating.Also, shouldn't they be trying to get baby River back a little harder, or are they not worried about it any more? Anyone else wonder where the baby is?Janelle (Sci Fi Tv Nerd)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-18060203901097605682011-09-19T10:18:31.030-07:002011-09-19T10:18:31.030-07:00me too! it's all over. Goodbye productivity.me too! it's all over. Goodbye productivity.theoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-72372817712837200892011-09-19T10:16:27.690-07:002011-09-19T10:16:27.690-07:00Curse you! I have descended into a youtube Couplin...Curse you! I have descended into a youtube Coupling spiral.t_o_m_gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-38490700985725220132011-09-19T09:45:58.912-07:002011-09-19T09:45:58.912-07:00Lol. During this episode, Craig literally shouted ...Lol. During this episode, Craig literally shouted "testicles!" at Amy (It's a Coupling joke for those of you who don't know, another Moffat show)<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLmGN9nLUootheoncominghopenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3139769202527811820.post-83560817232176193492011-09-19T09:42:51.003-07:002011-09-19T09:42:51.003-07:00*just testing please ignore**just testing please ignore*Tom Ghttp://tominwien.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com